All About Delmer Roberts

This post turned out much longer than I planned. Every time I thought I was almost done, I’d find more details and more photos. I realize not everyone is as big a Jane Roberts nerd as I am, so I’m adding a summary at the beginning of the post and you can get the gist of what’s in it without having to read the whole darned thing.

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Also, rather than making you wait until the end, I’ll share something right now that I mentioned in a prior post: Jane and Rob were actually related! To be precise, eighth cousins twice removed. And Jane was her own cousin!  I’m sure they had no idea. Here is an email from Barry Noonan (Thank you Barry!) sharing some genealogy research he had done on Jane and Rob’s families. Click on the image to enlarge it enough to read. There are more images and photos below in the “full” post—you might enjoy seeing those. 🙂

OK, here we go. Long story shorter:

1901: Delmar’s grandfather Sidney Hubbell inherited a substantial amount of money from a bachelor uncle.

1905: Delmar Hubbell Roberts was born.

1909: Sidney died, two residences (Champlain and Saratoga Springs) and the bulk of the inheritance went into a trust for his wife and three daughters. One of the daughters was Delmer’s mother, Mattie. Del was four at the time.

1912: Mattie and Del’s father Stanley Roberts were divorced in 1912, and so it was just Del and Mattie for a while. Del was 7 at the time.

Del and Mattie would split their year living in Champlain and Saratoga Springs, and Del went to schools in both districts. Del was very active in school drama, acting, singing, reciting in various plays. He also belonged to a boys’ club that put on shows as fundraisers. He also belonged to the Order of DeMolay, a youth group related to the Masons.

1919-1923: Del met Jane’s mother Marie in Saratoga Springs’ public high school some time during this period.

1923: After graduation, Del and Mattie moved to California so he could to attend Pasadena Military School for a couple of years, I think to learn a trade.

As a young adult, he tended to get a lot of speeding tickets and was in several accidents, usually his own doing.

1928: Del and Marie were married. Jane came along in 1929. Marie and Del moved around a bit for employment reasons. Del worked at an aircraft manufacturing plant in Detroit when they first married, then later the Tampa/St Pete area. Jane lived in Florida as a small child (1932) and according to Jane she came back to New York with a thick southern accent that she “had to lose” when she started school.

1933: Del and Marie separated around 1933 and then divorced. Del invested in real estate in California and Florida, built homes, worked at times. Del paid child support for a while, then a bulk settlement. He continued to send money occasionally over the years.

1935: Del married Maxine Nutting.

1950: Del and Maxine visited with Marie, Jane and Walt Zeh in Saratoga Springs. This is what prompted the famous motorcycle road trip for Jane and Walt to visit Del and Maxine in California.

1954: Maxine died in Santa Monica.

1959: Del marries Midge Barrett. They buy a house in Florida and settle down.

1971: Del died of a cerebral hemorrhage in Daytona on November 16, 1971 at the age of 66.

1972: Marie died in 1972 at the age of 65.

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So now… the whole enchilada:

Mary spent a heroic amount of time reading through old newspaper articles from New York publications, Los Angeles Times and even found a Pasadena Military Academy brochure. It’s from the almost 600 articles she had scanned, plus some other sources, that I’ve been able to piece together more information about Jane’s father, Delmer Roberts.

The oldest article, March 2, 1901, mentions Sidney Hubbell (1833-1909), maternal grandfather of Del, inheriting at the age of 60 a considerable fortune from a bachelor uncle.

Old newspaper article
The Adirondack News

Sidney, his wife Isabella Maxwell Hubbell (1855-1923) and their three daughters Maude, Mattie and Dorothy were living in Champlain, NY. In October of 1901, Sidney bought a summer home in Saratoga Springs.

Del’s parents Stanley Roberts (1876-1932) and Martha “Mattie” Katherine Hubble of Champlain, NY (1884-1952?) were married in 1904. Delmer, their only child, was born on December 12, 1905. Only a few weeks prior, there had been a birth announcement that Marie, Jane’s mother, was born in Saratoga Springs on November 3, 1905 to Joseph and Minnie Burdo.

When Del’s grandfather Sidney died in 1909, the two homes and the bulk of his estate were left in a trust to his wife, their three daughters and their descendants.

Dell and Mattie

On February 7, 1912 The Albany Evening Journal reported that Mattie had divorced Stanley. Now it was just Mattie and Delmer, age 7. They were very close and devoted to each other. Years later, when Del was an adult, Mattie remarried. Twice.

A young Del.

In elementary school and beyond, Del performed in numerous plays. He acted, sang, recited poetry and also performed in a boys’ club fundraiser for the Red Cross. A February 1923 Saratogian article listed Del as a performer in the chorus of a theater production light opera. At this point he would have been 18, five years before he would marry Jane’s mother, Marie Burdo. Del was also a member of Boys’ Big Barn Club that presented a three act show in 1918 in which Del acted, sang and recited a poem. He was also the “originator and general manager.”

Del and Marie met in Saratoga’s public high school. He would attend the public high school in Saratoga in the fall, and then he and Mattie would go to Florida after Christmas and he would attend school for the rest of the school year.

In September 1923, Mattie closed up her house for the winter and drove out to Pasadena, CA with Delmer. He was entering the Pasadena Military Academy, a tuition-based Christian 5-12 grade school, although at this point Del had graduated high school. The academy also offered special courses in business training, aeronautics, wireless telegraphy, horsemanship, music and manual training. Del attended 1923 and 1924.

Marie and Del at the beach, maybe Santa Monica?
A young Marie and Del, maybe on honeymoon in DC?

On March 1, 1928 Del and Marie were married at St. Clement’s Roman Catholic Church.  After a honeymoon in Washington DC, they traveled to Detroit where Del was working at Stinson Aircraft Manufacturing Company, no doubt using whatever skills he learned at Pasadena Military.

Jane was born May 8, 1929 in Albany NY at 11:30 pm. She weighed 5-1/4 pounds. There’s a December 24, 1932 article stating that Marie, Mattie and Del filed absentee votes because they were in Tampa, where Delmer was working at the time. A 1933 US City Directory shows Delmer and Marie living at 3834 Third Ave N in St Petersburg FL. Jane did note in a manuscript that she “learned to speak” in Florida, returning to Saratoga with a “thick Southern accent” that she lost in kindergarten when her classmates joked about it.

Dell, Marie, Jane. Jane looks about 2 or 3 here.

I’m not certain when Del and Marie were separated, probably around 1933. Jane’s comment on her parents’ mismatch: “Father was a wanderer. Even in those days, with all the money, he was somehow… slack… before it was the way to be. He didn’t care for pretense or social values. He loved boating and had a yacht. Mother wanted to collect good silver and be the mistress of a permanent household. It’s astonishing to think that she ever believed he’d really settle down in a normal community with a wife and child.” After that, Marie and Jane moved in with Marie’s parents, Joseph and Marie Burdo, in the duplex at 92 Middle Avenue where Jane spent her childhood.

I was pleased to discover that Del sent Marie monthly child support. Later, Marie took a cash settlement. Del also sent money occasionally, cards on holidays and letters once or twice a year up until his death.

Del, California?

Del mostly lived off his trust but did also work at times. He built and owned several houses in Santa Monica and was “highly gifted as a decorator” per Jane. He owned acres in Cape Canaveral, which he sold before it became worth millions.

Del married Maxine Nutting (1912-1951) of Ballston Spa, NY in October 1935. They honeymooned in Florida, New Orleans, Texas and California on their way to San Diego, CA where Del had taken a job.

Del and Maxine 1948. See ES6 Sess. 255 for Seth’s input on another photo of them used in a Dr. Instream envelope test.

According to a letter written by Walt Zeh, Jane’s first husband, Del and Maxine suddenly appeared at Jane and Marie’s home in early 1950, where Jane had her “first view of a father she never really had known.” It was what prompted Walt and Jane’s motorcycle trip to California to visit her father. Jane and Walt visited again in 1952.

Maxine died in April 1954 in Santa Monica. In 1958 and 1959 Del visited with Jane, Rob and Marie in Saratoga Springs, and Rob and Jane would visit Del over the years as well.

In 1959 Del married Midge Barrett in Florida. He and Midge bought a house in Ormond Beach and more or less settled down.

Midge, Del and Jane 1969

Del died of a cerebral hemorrhage in Daytona on November 16, 1971 at the age of 66. Marie died in 1972 at the age of 65.

For the “rest of the story”… Seth talks about Del’s after-death experiences, relationships and past lives in The Personal Sessions Book 1, session 597.

This is from The “Unknown” Reality Volume 2 Appendix 26: (For Session 734):

[Rob:] “…Jane’s father, Delmer, died without forewarning on . . . Tuesday, November 16; Jane came through with Sumari in class one week later, on November 23; and the next night, in the 598th session, Seth discussed Sumari for the first time.

(Part of my surprise stemmed from what I’d taken to be my knowledge of Jane’s relationship with her father. Her parents had divorced when she was two years old, and since her mother did not remarry Jane grew up without a father. Jane and “Del” met again, briefly, when she became 21 years old in 1950. After Jane and I married a few years later we occasionally visited her father in various parts of the country — but still, we hadn’t seen him for several years before his death. Yet now it seemed that even beneath that scattered performance Jane’s psyche had felt stronger ties of some kind — at least with Del, if not with her mother — than either of us had suspected; that at least some part of her had sensed a sort of biological or creature loss upon the death of a blood relative. I’d never heard her express such attachments or feelings. Even now she could only link the release of her very creative Sumari attributes, the singing poetry, and prose [as embodied in her novel, Oversoul Seven, for instance], with Seth’s reference to psychic families as well as physical ones….)”

If you’ve made it this far, congratulations, you’re a Jane nerd too!

Thanks for your time! Deb

25 thoughts on “All About Delmer Roberts”

  1. Charlie Dennis

    thank you Deb.
    what a blessing and gift you are giving all of us, with this article and all you have done with the Seth Research Project.
    fun fact about Jane being her own 7th cousin.
    methinks it ‘twould be also fun to imagine Jane singing
    I’m my own 7th cousin, to the tune of I’m My Own Grandpa:

    and Jane writing a book called:
    Oversoul 7th Cousin


  2. Definitely a Jane nerd! Thanks Deb so much for your fantastic work on the ‘lore’ and history around Jane, Rob and Seth. Really invaluable and brilliantly presented, please keep it coming!

  3. Barry C. Noonan

    Thanks to Deb for including my research on Jane and Rob’s counsinship (and for putting together this amazing compilation), and to Laurel for her kind words.

    It is not obvious who the “uncle” was whom Sidney Hubbell was allegedly heir to. Sidney’s last surviving uncle, Algernon Sidney Hubbell, died unmarried in 1891 in Newark NJ. I suspect that either the money came from some more distant relative, or the article was a plant written by Sidney himself – possibly to help secure a loan or something akin.

    1. Thanks Barry! I did see at least two articles about the inheritance, which took a bit of time to be legally settled, but I don’t recall seeing an actual name for the uncle. Mary probably shared those articles with you. I’ll take another look through them when I get back home. I’m on the road this week for work, long days, and get back this weekend.

  4. Marianna Kokoreva

    Thank you dear Deb! At first I was doubtful if I’d manage the whole thing. But it turned out interesting. Especially the pictutes, the father’s wandering nature. Jane looks such a happy child in this picture with her parents.

    1. Hey Frank, thank you! I have so many news articles that Mary collected for the dates and details. So much fun. Glad to know they correlate with your own timeline. If you notice any discrepancies, please let me know. I can’t tell you how many times I went through the “long version” of the post and kept removing details I felt didn’t really add anything to the post.

  5. Nancy C Elliott

    Ah, thanks Deb,
    for this information. Very interesting, especially accompanied by the photos which breathe life into the info.

    I have found in my life that even tho’ one does not have a parent involved in their life much those invisible blood cords connect you and information flows to and from parent to child. We do not know what a person makes of that information, how they use it and integrate it into their life, but it becomes apparent as time passes.

    1. Thanks Nancy, there certainly is a connection which Seth mentioned as psychic and physical families. She did get to spend a lot of time as an adult with her father, it’s nice they formed a bond. The Appendix 26 for Sess. 734 (UR2) is really interesting.

  6. Incredible! Great work Barry Noonan, Mary Dillman and Deb Tejada! (And others!)
    I know Rob and Jane did not know all of these things, and I did not; in fact some of the history with Del and Marie does not sound plausible- but Mary’s work in newspaper and saved archives has been a miracle of determined research. And Barry’s research also.
    I cannot believe that Marie and Del were traveling around unmarried living in different states- but I believe in Mary Dillman’s research!
    The Catholic parents Marie had allowing this?
    And the early years of after high school events for Marie? ! Wow!
    And Jane with Marie and Del in Florida, with Jane in Del’s care,- but Jane’s mother blamed Jane’s birth with crippling her.
    How did it work that she was traveling around for years as Jane was a baby and a toddler? When did Marie become bedridden?

    1. Hi Laurel, it was Del and Mattie that traveled before he married Marie. After the marriage, all three of them traveled together and then four after Jane was born. I’ll answer the rest of your questions in Messenger.

  7. Thank you for all your work on this. Seth definitely changed my life for the better. So this was wonderful to read!

  8. Thanks so much for all the research. There’s a video of Jane on YouTube where she really seems to be happy and shinning and I try to always think of her that way, but it seems like her childhood and her later years were so very hard.. and it almost seems as if her hard childhood caused her to have those hard later years… like the pain was somehow trapped in her body. I love that she seemed to have a wild and carefree young adulthood and such a stable second marriage with Rob. Thanks again.

    1. Hi Jeannie, thanks for the input and info! It is sad that Jane’s childhood was so rough, but I think it also made her strong, something people who had an easy childhood sometimes lack. As Seth says, we choose our circumstances before birth and what challenges we want to face in life. Jane seemed to take on more than one lifetime in her final incarnation.

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